Base Stats of Gen 6 Pokémon - (50 Pokémon Done)

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:23 am

As you may have seen in the Pokémon X and Y thread, I was able to calculate an approximation of Zygarde's base stats.

While I am willing to do so for all 69 of the Generation VI Pokémon, I cannot do so tonight, as it is past midnight here and I am getting tired. I will be going to sleep soon. I will try to do as much as I can tomorrow though.

But if anyone else wants to do so, I can show you how to do it tonight! Then, while I'm sleeping, if there is a Pokémon that you are just dying to know the stats for, you can calculate it.

First off, the formula for stats is:

The source code of the Pokémon Universe wrote:((((a+(2*b)+((c)/(4))+d)*e)/(100))+f)*g

where

a = IV
b = Base Stat
c = EV
d = 100 if the stat is HP, 0 otherwise
e = Level
f = 10 if the stat is HP, 5 otherwise
g = 1.1 if the stat has a beneficial nature, 0.9 if it has a detrimental nature, 1 otherwise


We know that the formula is not changing, because if it were, then it would not be possible to transfer Pokémon from Generation 5 to Generation 6.

Now, first of all, you need a leaked screenshot of the Pokémon that you want. It must be on the "Summary" screen so that you can see its stats.

First, write down that formula above six times, once for each stat.

As far as Nature is concerned, any stat listed in white is neutral, blue is a detrimental nature, and red is a beneficial nature. So that should tell you the value of "g". Plug it into each of the six equations.

You can presumably see its level, so you can plug that in for "e" as well in each of the six equations.

"d" and "f" are given to you by the formula, so you can just plug those in right away.

EVs and IVs are tricky. With EVs, you NEED to know how many the Pokémon has, so check its Experience Bar. If it has ANY experience, then tough luck. It likely has EVs, and you presumably don't know how many or of which type. Worse, with Super Training being a thing, it means that even with no experience, it's possible that the Pokémon will have EVs. If this is the case, then it may screw up your calculations. But it will always screw them up by making the base stats TOO HIGH. So you'd at least end up with a maximum, knowing that it is "this value or lower". Plus, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that people take screenshots before doing any Super Training.

So assuming the value is 0, set "c" equal to "0" in the formula.

And now we get to IVs. This is impossible to deal with because IVs are not given to you in-game, nor is there any way to calculate them without knowing base stats. So what you have to do is set "a" equal to "0" for your maximum stat, and set it for "31" for your minimum stat. You will end up with a range of values, with the base stat somewhere in there.

With this in mind, you have now plugged in a number for every variable except "b", so you end up with an expression with only one variable. Set the expression equal to the stat shown on the "Summary" screen and then you can solve for "b". When you do this, you get the base stat. Do this twice for each stat, once for the "0" IV and once for the "31" IV, and you get a range of possibilities for each of the six base stats.

So that's how I calculated Zygarde's stats. And I intend to calculate others's stats in the same way if I can. But if you'd like to do so, here's how it's done.

Oh, and if you don't feel like doing complex math, just substitute the numbers and go to Wolfram Alpha, and it will solve the equation for you.
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Postby YourBoss » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:44 am

O_O wow.........I am sorry for ppl who think Pokemon is not complex...
Anyway, great job figuring that out (or find out) GS15 :D. I thought of this before can could've done it but...laziness :P
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:23 am

Working on a complete list now.

Edit: Never mind. GIving up on the grounds that I cannot find any screenshots of stat screens. :(
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Postby SaurusHam » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:02 am

GoldenSandslash15 wrote:Working on a complete list now.

Edit: Never mind. GIving up on the grounds that I cannot find any screenshots of stat screens. :(

I could help with finding stat screens, but that probably means hours looking through serebii's forums to find them. :cry:
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:16 am

SaurusHam wrote:
GoldenSandslash15 wrote:Working on a complete list now.

Edit: Never mind. GIving up on the grounds that I cannot find any screenshots of stat screens. :(

I could help with finding stat screens, but that probably means hours looking through serebii's forums to find them. :cry:


If you show me a thread/forum to search through, I am more than willing to do it.
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Postby SaurusHam » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:25 am

Serebii Dex Speculation Thread
But I have to warn you, this thread is massive and some of the leaked stat screens are as far back as a few hundred pages.
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:40 pm

Got a few screenshots, a bit lazy to do the calculations, mostly cause I have to do it TWELVE TIMES per Pokémon.

So I asked my brother to write me a program to do it instead. It's being made now and so you should expect some estimated base stats within the hour.
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:42 pm

This is becoming maddening very quickly. The formula for calculating stats doesn't seem to be cooperating with us. That or we punched it in wrong. But we can't seem to get this damn thing to work. Sorry guys. We'll still try, but less of a guarantee now.
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 5:59 pm

Pokémon = HP / ATK / DEF / SPA / SPD / SPE

(Note: I do not know the EVs in these screenshots. As such, the "base stats" that I give may be higher than their actual base stats, but given that EVs make very little difference pre-Level 100, and the fact that these Pokémon are likely NOT EV trained, it is likely that the difference between my base stats and the real base stats is minimal, or nonexistent.)

Chesnaught = 88 to 105 / 99 to 115 / 114 to 130 / 75 to 91 / 72 to 88 / 63 to 80
Delphox = ??? (picture didn't show HP due to cutoff) / 75 to 92 / 74 to 91 / 108 to 125 / 95 to 112 / 110 to 126
Greninja = 72 to 88 / 85 to 102 / 65 to 82 / 115 to 131 / 50 to 67 / 117 to 134
Diggersby = 72 to 89 / 51 to 67 / 67 to 84 / 38 to 55 / 74 to 91 / 79 to 96
Florges = 63 to 79 / 60 to 77 / 55 to 72 / 121 to 137 / 121 to 137 / 73 to 90
Pangoro = 98 to 115 / 128 to 145 / 74 to 90 / 71 to 88 / 70 to 86 / 63 to 79
Doublade = 48 to 65 / 103 to 119 / 148 to 165 / 47 to 63 / 37 to 53 / 24 to 40
Aegislash = 55 to 71 / 52 to 68 / 152 to 169 / 57 to 73 / 142 to 158 / 59 to 75
Aegislash-Blade = 55 to 71 / 152 to 168 / 52 to 69 / 157 to 173 / 42 to 58 / 59 to 75
Malamar = 74 to 90 / 68 to 85 / 84 to 100 / 50 to 66 / 54 to 70 / 67 to 83 (Note: The picture for this one was such bad quality that I couldn't make the numbers out clearly, so take this one with a grain of salt.)
Barbaracle = 67 to 84 / 106 to 122 / 106 to 122 / 46 to 62 / 85 to 101 / 74 to 90
Dragalge = 62 to 79 / 76 to 93 / 81 to 97 / 84 to 100 / 122 to 139 / 53 to 69
Clawitzer = 58 to 75 / 58 to 75 / 92 to 109 / 119 to 136 / 85 to 102 / 45 to 61
Heliolisk = 54 to 70 / 56 to 72 / 38 to 54 / 110 to 126 / 92 to 108 / 110 to 126
Tyrantrum = 84 to 100 / 117 to 134 / 116 to 133 / 69 to 85 / 52 to 68 / 64 to 81
Amaura = 64 to 80 / 42 to 58 / 39 to 55 / 64 to 80 / 49 to 65 / 32 to 48
Hawlucha = 64 to 80 / 87 to 103 / 72 to 88 / 56 to 72 / 59 to 75 / 102 to 118
Carbink = 34 to 50 / 47 to 64 / 142 to 159 / 32 to 49 / 143 to 159 / 41 to 57
Goodra = 84 to 100 / 103 to 120 / 76 to 93 / 116 to 133 / 151 to 168 / 91 to 108
Klefki = 41 to 58 / 74 to 90 / 80 to 96 / 75 to 92 / 78 to 95 / 64 to 80
Phantump = 40 to 56 / 59 to 75 / 44 to 60 / 48 to 65 / 50 to 66 / 27 to 43
Trevenant = 80 to 96 / 108 to 125 / 59 to 76 / 62 to 78 / 75 to 91 / 40 to 57
Pumpkaboo = 47 to 64 / 56 to 73 / 68 to 84 / 42 to 59 / 40 to 56 / 37 to 53
Noivern = 84 to 100 / 55 to 72 / 73 to 89 / 82 to 99 / 79 to 95 / 123 to 139
Yveltal = 125 to 141 / 130 to 146 / 87 to 103 / 130 to 146 / 81 to 97 / 97 to 113
Zygarde = 95 to 112 / 89 to 105 / 120 to 137 / 80 to 97 / 86 to 103 / 94 to 110

(Note: As Mega Evolutions only exist in battle, I can only learn Natures through a "comparison" shot that isn't taken in battle. The only such screenshot I found of this was Mega Blastoise, which did not show the Pokémon's Level, so base stats cannot be calculated. So these have no natures. I treated them as a neutral nature, but know that the amount of differences between my stats and the real stats are a bit bigger for these ones. But hey, at least four of the six stats are gonna be as accurate as the ones for the "regular" Pokémon.)

Stats After Mega Evolving:

Venusaur = 84 to 100 / 105 to 121 / 116 to 132 / 116 to 132 / 102 to 119 / 91 to 107
Charizard X = 76 to 92 / 137 to 153 / 119 to 135 / 124 to 140 / 76 to 93 / 106 to 122
Aerodactyl = 64 to 80 / 109 to 125 / 77 to 93 / 67 to 83 / 92 to 108 / 159 to 175
Mewtwo Y = 98 to 115 / 142 to 158 / 69 to 85 / 193 to 210 / 110 to 126 / 139 to 155
Ampharos = 82 to 99 / 94 to 110 / 104 to 120 / 161 to 177 / 94 to 110 / 39 to 55
Lucario = 56 to 72 / 140 to 157 / 68 to 85 / 136 to 152 / 62 to 79 / 123 to 140

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 7:48 pm

Fletchinder = 51 to 67 / 65 to 81 / 45 to 62 / 46 to 62 / 42 to 59 / 81 to 98

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 11:16 pm

Sylveon = 94 to 110 / 57 to 73 / 63 to 79 / 98 to 115 / 126 to 142 / 72 to 89

That said, given that it is an Eeveelution, and that these stats are MUCH more likely to be too high than too low, based on how I calculate them, it is likely that its stats are 95 / 65 / 65 / 110 / 130 / 60.

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Postby YourBoss » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:02 am

Holy ....you are so hard working. Good luck and don't stress yourself too much for this :)
Also if you are correct then Delphox would be a freakin' special beast and Greninja is also a special attacker :P...Chesnaught is such a defensive behemoth
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Postby User of Shadows » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:00 am

My god, Yveltal is a DEMON. That is awesome. I have no regrets getting Y now. (I still can't wait to Amie it to death and destroy random routes with it, especially now since it seems you can heal status conditions if you've Amie'd the Pokemon. Josh (VP leaker) was in battle and Sylveon got burned, the game said "Josh blows on the burn, healing Sylveon"...)
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Postby qtrx » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:57 am

Great work collecting all of these GoldenSandslash :3 GF went a bit over the top with some 'fan favourites', that's for sure v_v

Quick tip: it's extremely unlikely that any Pokémon change its HP upon forme change, so you can list their respective original HP stats for the Megalutions.
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:20 am

Thanks for all the support, guys. And yes, qtrx, I know that it is "extremely unlikely" that HP will change. But it is still POSSIBLE, so I do what I calculate.

Speaking of calculating Mega Evolutions, btw:

Blastoise = 80 to 96 / 98 to 114 / 117 to 134 / 130 to 146 / 108 to 124 / 73 to 89

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:15 pm

Talonflame = 70 to 86 / 77 to 93 / 64 to 80 / 68 to 84 / 61 to 78 / 128 to 144

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Klefki update:

Due to finding another Klefki image: http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/boar ... 096925.jpg

Its stats can now be more accurately approximated.

Klefki #1: 41 to 58 / 74 to 90 / 80 to 96 / 75 to 92 / 78 to 95 / 64 to 80
Klefki #2: 40 to 56 / 71 to 88 / 82 to 99 / 70 to 86 / 73 to 89 / 59 to 76

Klefki's overall base stats: 41 to 56 / 74 to 88 / 82 to 96 / 75 to 86 / 78 to 89 / 64 to 76
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:54 am

Litleo = 43 to 60 / 33 to 50 / 33 to 50 / 63 to 80 / 43 to 60 / 53 to 70

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:39 pm

Quilladin = 62 to 79 / 64 to 81 / 86 to 103 / 54 to 70 / 50 to 67 / 54 to 71
Vivillon = 73 to 89 / 48 to 64 / 37 to 53 / 86 to 103 / 41 to 57 / 89 to 105
Espurr = 52 to 69 / 34 to 50 / 47 to 64 / 52 to 69 / 40 to 56 / 52 to 69
Furfrou = 72 to 88 / 68 to 85 / 45 to 61 / 56 to 72 / 82 to 99 / 93 to 110
Spritzee = 63 to 79 / 42 to 58 / 56 to 72 / 60 to 77 / 60 to 77 / 16 to 33
Flabébé = 27 to 43 / 27 to 43 / 20 to 36 / 52 to 69 / 59 to 76 / 34 to 50
Tyrunt = 44 to 60 / 82 to 98 / 74 to 91 / 41 to 58 / 29 to 46 / 46 to 62

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:20 am

Updates: Three new screenshots have been found.

Chesnaught = 92 to 109 / 98 to 114 / 115 to 131 / 74 to 91 / 70 to 86 / 64 to 81
Mega Aerodactyl = 67 to 83 / 124 to 140 / 72 to 88 / 57 to 73 / 94 to 110 / 137 to 153
Yveltal = 125 to 141 / 118 to 134 / 91 to 107 / 129 to 145 / 97 to 113 / 84 to 101

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Originals:

Chesnaught = 88 to 105 / 99 to 115 / 114 to 130 / 75 to 91 / 72 to 88 / 63 to 80
Mega Aerodactyl = 64 to 80 / 109 to 125 / 77 to 93 / 67 to 83 / 92 to 108 / 159 to 175
Yveltal = 125 to 141 / 130 to 146 / 87 to 103 / 130 to 146 / 81 to 97 / 97 to 113

Newly Combined Stats (more accurate):

Chesnaught = 92 to 105 / 99 to 114 / 115 to 130 / 75 to 91 / 72 to 86 / 64 to 80
Mega Aerodactyl = 67 to 80 / 124 to 125 / 77 to 88 / 67 to 73 / 94 to 108 / ??? (seems to be a contradiction, likely due to EVs)
Yveltal = 125 to 141 / 130 to 134 / 91 to 103 / 130 to 145 / 97 to 97 (so pretty much just "97") / 97 to 101

So, ladies and gentlemen, we have our first confirmation! Yveltal has exactly 97 base Special Defense!

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Postby YourBoss » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:21 am

GoldenSandslash15 wrote:
So, ladies and gentlemen, we have our first confirmation! Yveltal has exactly 97 base Special Defense!

Thank you.

Wow..........how many points in Math do you get at school? Or ur IQ test? lol
Anyway...with 97 sp.def, even though I am not an Ubers player, I think that is quite a bit mediorce comparing to the monstrous special attacker in the tier. :P
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:46 am

YourBoss wrote:Wow..........how many points in Math do you get at school? Or ur IQ test? lol


I actually suck at math. I'm just good at number-crunching. Like, I can do double-digit multiplication or long division or whatever in my head faster than I can type it into a calculator. But when it comes to higher-level mathematics, like applying formulas and stuff, I'm beyond clueless.

Also, new Hawlucha screenshot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/5284f61170e9 ... o1_500.jpg

New Version's Stats: 77 to 94 / 89 to 105 / 76 to 93 / 64 to 80 / 52 to 69 / 110 to 127
Old Version's Stats: 64 to 80 / 87 to 103 / 72 to 88 / 56 to 72 / 59 to 75 / 102 to 118

Total base stats: 77 to 80 / 89 to 103 / 76 to 88 / 64 to 72 / 59 to 69 / 110 to 118
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:57 am

Meowstic (Female Version) = 72 to 88 / 43 to 59 / 72 to 88 / 76 to 92 / 69 to 85 / 98 to 114

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:21 pm

Hey, X Version Players! Disappointed that I have only reported on Yveltal's Base Stats?

Well, here's Xerneas's! Courtesy of http://i.imgur.com/iaF1CPw.jpg

NOTE: This image does not include Level. As a result, it is impossible to even give estimates on stats. As a result, I just went ahead and assumed Level 50, since that's what Yveltal was at when caught, so it is reasonable to assume that you catch Xerneas at Level 50 as well. And I'm guessing that the picture was taken shortly after capture. This also makes the most sense with the stats's calculations, given that they are close to Yveltal's, which is Xerneas's counterpart.

Xerneas = 114 to 130 / 127 to 143 / 94 to 110 / 130 to 146 / 92 to 108 / 98 to 114

Note that while the rest of the stats posted in this thread rely on assumptions, and as such, could be wrong, Xerneas has no Level given, so it is MORE LIKELY THAN NORMAL that these stats are wrong. But for now, it is the best that I can do. Just take these with an even bigger grain of salt than usual.

Also, I found a problem with Aerodactyl. I posted a picture Aerodactyl's stats rather than Mega Aerodactyl's stats. These can be found here: http://imgur.com/IV8GeRN

Note that I still used Mega Aerodactyl's stats in the calculation, not regular Aerodactyl's, so this still doesn't explain the Speed contradiction. I think it has to be an EV situation at this point.
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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:17 pm

Aurorus's Base Stats are approximated as: 126 to 143 / 82 to 99 / 66 to 82 / 99 to 115 / 92 to 109 / 69 to 86

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Postby GoldenSandslash15 » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:46 pm

And now for the most overrated Pokémon of them all!

Goomy = 31 to 47 / 42 to 59 / 24 to 41 / 28 to 54 / 58 to 75 / 39 to 55

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